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calculatedChaos Gaming • Scam Trades
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Scam Trades

Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 09:37
by BAMF
I figure this is as good a place as any to put it, but maybe you know that there are a lot of assholes on tf2. There are a lot of assholes everywhere, and now they want to scam you. There are a couple of ways to get scammed, this is the most recent-
Here's a problem I've been noticing with growing prevalence on TF2 trading servers, and it's REALLY hard to notice unless you are looking for it.

The user in question requests a strange amount of hats for his unusual (4) He'll place his unusual on the trade screen, and ask to see your hats. Both of you will agree (or not) that the trade is fair, and ready up, then he'll ask you to change one of your hats to a different one. While you do this, unknown to you, he'll switch his unusual for a REGULAR version of the same hat, and ready up when you get back. If you catch it, he'll claim it was accidental, and most likely go onto a different server to do it again.

Just some friendly advice, hate to see some fellow TF2 players get scammed.


Easy way to prevent it
Shugo posted:
Put this into your autoexec and this will never happen to you:

Code:
cl_showbackpackrarities 1
This displays a colored border around all items and is color-coded for their rarity. I.E. Vintage items will have a blue border, Unusuals will have a purple border, etc.
I took that from facepunch, I figure you all should know about this kind of stuff, if anyone knows any other ways to get scammed,
other then the "I WILL BUY YOU HATS, FIRST GIVE ME UR HAT, I'LL BRB TO GIVE IT 2 U.". I saw some guy pull that on the fun server a couple days ago, Makoi or something like that, so I would say you should ban him on sight.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 09:57
by Tampashrew
This is actually a rather helpful post, well done.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 10:30
by spleenter
Also, there is a common one where someone offers you a hat but demands you to give you to give him a hat before he will give his hat to you. if you use any form of common sense you should be able to detect this scam. it actually pretty easy to do, i scammed a kid on the funserver, dont worry,i gave them back after he told me what he learned. please people use some common sense before you click on trade now.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 15 Oct 2010, 08:17
by captainAngry
It's a fine line between scam and legit trade. I have seen a lot of people get upset when someone elses trade has completed because they feel that one person ripped off another.

Items are only worth what the person who has them thinks their worth. Personally, I would rather have a hat I like than a hat that is more rare.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 15 Oct 2010, 03:39
by Divine Fate
I once saw a scam involving 2 scammers, one would offer a rare item such as an unusual for something of great lesser rarity (crates, paints, name tags, even vintage items). The other would offer exactly what he wants in exchange for something of slightly higher rarity (like unwanted hats etc.). Once the second trades his gear in what was clearly an "unfair" trade, both scammers leave the server better than when they started.

Watch out for this, too. Slightly harder to detect because teamwork is often unassociated with scamming.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 15 Oct 2010, 04:35
by LaN
Ill paint your hats for free
I got keys to open crates
Rename a weapon as Valve (weapon) or Community (weapon)

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 15 Oct 2010, 06:26
by Zarik
YOU SIR DESERVE A MEDAL! :batman: :awesomelon:

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 17 Oct 2010, 11:41
by FierySnake
Rename Items Have This "Unusual Football Helmet " (notice quotation marks) , so if you see them. Its obviously Renamed.

Rare Items also have a different color like this Unusual Football Helmet

So watch out !!

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 17 Oct 2010, 12:37
by Riftoff
Fiery Snake made a useful post?! :psyduck:

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 17 Oct 2010, 01:22
by FierySnake
Riftoff wrote:Fiery Snake made a useful post?! :psyduck:
Is that really that hard to believe?

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 17 Oct 2010, 02:06
by LaN
Riftoff wrote:Fiery Snake made a useful post?! :psyduck:
Image

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 17 Oct 2010, 09:31
by Tampashrew
Riftoff wrote:Fiery Snake made a useful post?! :psyduck:
Image

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 18 Oct 2010, 06:19
by Celtic
HOLY SHIT

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 18 Oct 2010, 02:10
by MrKerplunkers
Riftoff wrote:Fiery Snake made a useful post?! :psyduck:
Image

Man, here I was avoiding the trade thread. I nearly missed out on a major historical event.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 18 Oct 2010, 05:46
by The Gabage-Min
Thanks for the tip broski. Scammers are always an issue.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 08:06
by Dep. Redundency Dep.
Riftoff wrote:Fiery Snake made a useful post?! :psyduck:
Image

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 23 Oct 2010, 02:02
by tomm
ive been gone for a while, does fierysnake not make useful posts?

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 23 Oct 2010, 02:05
by spleenter
No, he likes to post things that either everyone knows is common knowledge or "lol"

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 23 Oct 2010, 03:46
by LaN
spleenter wrote:No, he likes to post things that either everyone knows is common knowledge or "lol"
lol

:awesome: :girl: :batman: :don: :leo: :mike: :raph: :respek: :respek: :respek: :respek: :respek: :stupid:

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 23 Oct 2010, 06:42
by Egonny
Ontopic, the problem has been fixed by Valve already.

Offtopic, :shock:

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 23 Oct 2010, 11:05
by FierySnake
OMG Its Tomm the Guy Who owned Sectus! :D :D :woop: ;) :roll:

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 23 Oct 2010, 11:12
by Egonny
FierySnake wrote:OMG Its Tomm the Guy Who owned Sectus! :D :D :woop: ;) :roll:
Aaand he's back to normal.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 23 Oct 2010, 05:31
by LaN
Egonny wrote:
FierySnake wrote:OMG Its Tomm the Guy Who owned Sectus! :D :D :woop: ;) :roll:
Aaand he's back to normal.
good while it lasted.

3 seconds

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 24 Oct 2010, 11:31
by Dep. Redundency Dep.
tomm wrote:ive been gone for a while, does fierysnake not make useful posts?
FierySnake wrote:OMG Its Tomm the Guy Who owned Sectus! :D :D :woop: ;) :roll:
La preuve.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 25 Oct 2010, 05:06
by freddie515
I was scammed a while back, mainly due to my own stupidity though.

I was trying to sell my chieftans challenge, and somebody offers me €20 for it. After a bit of discussion, I accept. He says he has sent the money to my steam wallet, and that it might take over an hour to get there. He pretends to be a young child, saying that his mother wants to see the hat, since it was her credit card.

I refuse to give him the hat until I get the money, then he starts threatening to report me to steam for trying to sell a hat for money. I could do nothing but give him the hat, or risk hetting my steam account banned.

Also, steam admins dont exist. Even if they have [steam support] in their name and their writing is all green in the text chat, they dont exist. Refuse to give them 27 items for a vintage towering pillar, luckily I didnt fall for this one...

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 29 Dec 2010, 02:07
by captainAngry
Stay away from the Unusual Hat Club. Those guys all know each-other and will work together to get you to trade your Unusual for one that is of lesser 'value'. The people that run those servers are the kind of people I hate, using spreadsheets to measure hat 'value'.

The biggest thing I have seen them do is go on for long discussions about which Unusuals are 'not worth anything'. A lot of those people will tell you that your new hat unusual (any of the new hats) aren't worth anything because there is a high percentage of Unusuals to regular hats because of the Festive Crates. Those kind of people are fucking up the market.

People should trade based on what hats they want/like rather than what is more valuable. If people did that, everyone would have hats already and we wouldn't have people thinking they got 'scammed'.

FYI, don't call people out for doing 'bad trades'. If both people agree to the terms and one person isn't purposefully trying to screw someone, it isn't a bad trade. If you call someone out, it makes the person that got 'skewed' feel bad.

I do terrible trades for things I want all the time (ask the people on our server that got Unusuals for one or two vintages). Because of that, those hats are more valuable to me because they cost me more. Based on the principals of economics, the Unusual hats I traded should be worth less to the people I gave them to because they paid less for them, but this is not they case. TF2 Items isn't a real market that the shills want you to believe it is. The bottom can fall out at any moment and if you have patience, you can always find someone that will give you what you want for a good deal.

Also, finding a good trade on a trade server is becoming harder and harder. The market value for metal, tags and keys is pretty stable from day to day but if you run into someone that knows how much metal their hat is worth, leave the trade. They won't give you their hat for less or equal to what they think theirs is worth. I maintain my ignorance of hat value and still trade based on the things I like and people like me are more likely to give you things you want for a fair price.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 02 Jan 2011, 07:07
by PhrozenFlame
My rule of thumb: Keep hats you like, trade ones you don't. If I get a hat I don't like, feel free to trade me 8 crates for it.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 26 Jan 2011, 10:36
by Beetle
spleenter wrote:No, he likes to post things that either everyone knows is common knowledge or "lol"
and for a while, he would post in a intro thread something to the effect of "hi its fierysnake :D "
and thats all.

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 27 Jan 2011, 10:30
by FierySnake
Didn't people told me to stop saying that, so I did -_-

Re: Scam Trades

Posted: 02 Mar 2011, 10:20
by dragoon128
FierySnake wrote:Didn't people told me to stop saying that, so I did -_-
How does I use smart grammars? :cawg: